Morgoth Seeing The Events Of The Third Age From The Void

[John]

Hi
Could Morgoth See What Was Happening in Middle Earth From The Void? If Yes How? If Not Why? Also if He could How Did He Feel when He Saw That Sauron had Joined Him In The Void After Being Defeated At The End Of The Third Age?

 

[Ubik65]

What was the Void?

 

[grendel]

Where did you read that Sauron was also pushed into the Void? His spirit remained in M-E (I believe; haven't seen anything else that says otherwise) but so much of his power was lost in the destruction of the Ring that he was basically nothing but a cranky old ghost. From RotK "The Last Debate":

If it [the Ring] is destroyed, then he will fall; and his fall will be so low that none can foresee his arising ever again. For he will lose the best part of his strength that was native to him in his beginning, and all that was made or begun with that power will crumble, and he will be maimed forever, becoming a mere spirit of malice that gnaws itself in the shadows, but cannot again grow or take shape.

 

[Starbrow]

The Void was the emptiness beyond the world of Middle Earth; kind of like outer space.

 

[John]

Where did you read that Sauron was also pushed into the Void? His spirit remained in M-E (I believe; haven't seen anything else that says otherwise) but so much of his power was lost in the destruction of the Ring that he was basically nothing but a cranky old ghost. From RotK "The Last Debate":

If it [the Ring] is destroyed, then he will fall; and his fall will be so low that none can foresee his arising ever again. For he will lose the best part of his strength that was native to him in his beginning, and all that was made or begun with that power will crumble, and he will be maimed forever, becoming a mere spirit of malice that gnaws itself in the shadows, but cannot again grow or take shape.

Sauron

Sauron was a highly gifted Maia, originally an apprentice of Aulë, who became skilled at crafting and making. Coveting the power through which he would coordinate...

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[ZehnWaters]

Where did you read that Sauron was also pushed into the Void? His spirit remained in M-E (I believe; haven't seen anything else that says otherwise) but so much of his power was lost in the destruction of the Ring that he was basically nothing but a cranky old ghost. From RotK "The Last Debate":

If it [the Ring] is destroyed, then he will fall; and his fall will be so low that none can foresee his arising ever again. For he will lose the best part of his strength that was native to him in his beginning, and all that was made or begun with that power will crumble, and he will be maimed forever, becoming a mere spirit of malice that gnaws itself in the shadows, but cannot again grow or take shape.

Indeed. Sauron remains in Middle-Earth but unable to be seen, heard, or otherwise interact with the visible world. A fitting punishment, in my opinion.

 

[grendel]

I need some of you more knowledgeable types to chime in on this. My feeling is that "walked behind him on the same ruinous path down into the Void" is speaking figuratively and not literally. But I may be wrong.

 

[ZehnWaters]

I need some of you more knowledgeable types to chime in on this. My feeling is that "walked behind him on the same ruinous path down into the Void" is speaking figuratively and not literally. But I may be wrong.

Yeah...I thought it was symbolic as well.

 

[Halasían]

They didn't have TVs in the void. The OP's post had me immediately see Morgoth kicked back in front of his 75" flat screen watching the Peter Jackson movies... 😄

 

[ZehnWaters]

They didn't have TVs in the void. The OP's post had me immediately see Morgoth kicked back in front of his 75" flat screen watching the Peter Jackson movies... 😄

To be fair, Palantir translates to Television.

 

[Halasían]

To be fair, Palantir translates to Television.

Are you saying there is a Palantiri in the Void?

 

[ZehnWaters]

Are you saying there is a Palantiri in the Void?

No, I suppose not. Mostly I just thought it was a funny coincidence.