I wish I knew more about him myself. So far, the only information we officially know is Amandil was the father of Elendil and a descendant of Elros by Silmariën, a lord of Andunië in Númenor and a close advisor to the king. He was the leader of the Faithful in Númenor and never succumbed to Sauron's dark words and ways.Wow, I'm honored to even be considered alongside such quality writers as @Ent and @david_wendelken ! Thank you! Your project looks interesting too. I don't know much about Amandil, but the synopsis you provided definitely makes me more interested in his story.
Mordor is volcanic, so nature might take care of it later. It's not an essential feature of the scenario you describe.Now, however, I have a problem to consider(which I will find a way through): there was a pass in the Ephel Duath mentioned(in drafts of Tolkien's, apparently) known as Nargil Pass. This lay between Harad and Mordor, and from it flowed a river which finds its way to the sea. Now, this pass obviously does not exist in the Third Age, so it must be destroyed in this story. But is it destroyed when Amandil and his men flee Mordor with the Ring, or is it destroyed later?
Well, it is true I don't have an explicit source. However, given the pass(which exists at the mouth of the lower of the two rivers, which I believe is called Harnen, shown on your map) sits directly between Harad and Gondor, it should be an easy passage for the Haradrim to take into Mordor. However, as is shown in the books, they march aaaaalllll the way around to the Black Gate just to get in. This and the fact the pass was only mentioned in a draft of Eomer's dialogue but was later scrapped and never brought up again, makes me think Tolkien may have only toyed with the idea of a pass.Mordor is volcanic, so nature might take care of it later. It's not an essential feature of the scenario you describe.
As for the pass not existing in the 3rd age, what is your source for that? Does Tolkien explicitly say that? Or do you mean, it doesn't exist at the time of the War of the Ring in LOTR? This map by Tolkien shows two places where such a pass might still exist at the time of the War of the Ring. But Gondor hadn't controlled that area for a thousand years, so they (a) might not remember it any more or (b) the hobbits who wrote LOTR didn't know about it.
Hope that's helpful!
I do have a question, though(purely curious): what did you mean here? In what way was Nargil Pass not essential?It's not an essential feature of the scenario you describe.
Good points. The king's road north thru Ithilien would most likely be the better road. Plus, Ithilien was largely Mordor-controlled territory by the War of the Ring. Faramir's rangers had a hidden refuge there because they didn't (and mostly likely couldn't) hold an open one.Well, it is true I don't have an explicit source. However, given the pass(which exists at the mouth of the lower of the two rivers, which I believe is called Harnen, shown on your map) sits directly between Harad and Gondor, it should be an easy passage for the Haradrim to take into Mordor. However, as is shown in the books, they march aaaaalllll the way around to the Black Gate just to get in. This and the fact the pass was only mentioned in a draft of Eomer's dialogue but was later scrapped and never brought up again, makes me think Tolkien may have only toyed with the idea of a pass.
You are right, however, in implying it may still exist, if only as a narrow pass unusable by marching armies. I'm not certain for the moment. I discovered the possibility for the pass when realizing I needed a way into Mordor which did not involve the Black Gate or Cirith Ungol, and so went looking. The two rivers seemed most likely to me and, not having discovered this forum at the time, I found mention of Nargil Pass in the website called The Tolkien Gateway, which I have found more helpful than The One Wiki to Rule Them All.
I thank you for your assistance, as it has given me ideas for an alternate route for my plot, though I shall have to do some thinking to determine what the consequences of leaving Nargil Pass open would be...it could prove a danger to the men of Núrn after the War of the Ring when Aragorn gives them that part of Mordor to live in, as Haradrim may decide Núrn looks nice and sneak in to make their own assault...but anyway. Thoughts to be had. Thank you!
I meant that destroying the pass wasn't an essential part of the story you described. (At least as I understood it!)I do have a question, though(purely curious): what did you mean here? In what way was Nargil Pass not essential?
I have a query: you said this Palantir was one owned by Elendil in one of his lands...but shouldn't the area be sacked and destroyed by the Witch King by now? Forgive me if my dates are off, I was just curious how it would be available as a Seeing Stone.I could:
1) refuse her access to the palantir.
2) give her visions that are inconclusive as to Amroth & Nimrodel's fate.
3) as #2, but give her visions about herself in Valinor in the past, things she does not know and won't understand until later (if ever).
4) something else I haven't yet thought of.
The lore as I recall it is that this stone was attuned ONLY to Valinor and was held in a tower in the hills west of The Shire. The Shire wasn't trashed by the Witch-King, his forces got tied up trying to force the passage of the river Lhun. Besides, who would rush to destroy a bunch of halflings when "real armies" are still a threat? The elves would have had plenty of time to secure and move it if needed.I have a query: you said this Palantir was one owned by Elendil in one of his lands...but shouldn't the area be sacked and destroyed by the Witch King by now? Forgive me if my dates are off, I was just curious how it would be available as a Seeing Stone.
If the Palantir does turn out to be available...I guess it depends on the surrounding context, as in, whether or not the Palantir has been corrupted(possible plot-point?). If it has not been, it is likely option 3 would be best, as no elf ever heard tidings of either Amroth or Nimrodel(unless you plan for your character to keep these visions to herself).
If the Palantir has been corrupted, option 4 has suddenly opened up in potential, from my point of view.
I hope this was helpful :]
Thanks! I hope the actual story reads better than the summary!Good grief, you held me in this post from start to finish. I almost wasn't breathing! Congratulations on creating such a captivating tale, and I hope you don't run out of ideas or motivation until it's finished!
I wonder what would happen if that part of himself was merely altered within her when he died. It remained within her, but it also changed inside her when the original source was dead.
Eh, I'm sleepy, and maybe I don't know what I'm talking about, but there's an idea.
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