I agree with you that Glamdring and also Orcrist would have been blades capable of wounding or killing the Witch King. However, it is not just swords that are important in such a case. We know that Gandalf was sent back with greater powers as "The White". What we do not know is how much extra freedom of action he was allowed. It might be that in a situation of defending against the Witch kings direct attack Gandalf would be allowed to destroy him while being forbidden from initiating an attack himself.But anyway, Elven blades, I would propose, had been made specifically to be effective against the servants of Morgoth - all of them. And If you think of Fingolfin giving Morgoth seven wounds with his sword Ringil that never again healed (properly), against Morgoth himself, even. Even assuming Glamdring was not in the class of Ringil, to salami-slice a subordinate of a subordinate of Morgoth's (and a Ring-wraith could no longer be considered a man) should have been well within its capabilities.
Yes, I would also guess that he had limits to offensive actions (that old good guys with hand tied behind their backs gripe of mine).
No, only elven makes like Mary’s when he stabbed witch king. It undone the curse and eyown finished him.Gothmog wrote: "I agree with you [Olorgando] that Glamdring and also Orcrist would have been blades capable of wounding or killing the Witch King."
I believe that any blade was capable of wounding or killing a Witch-king. But I'll leave that for a good "who killed the Witch-king thread".
As for the thread in question: I have not read it yet
No, only elven makes like Mary’s when he stabbed witch king. It undone the curse and eyown finished him. We are getting a little off topic here, this is about Olorin and Sauron.
And then from The Two Towers:For each of the hobbits he chose a dagger, long, leaf-shaped, and keen, of marvellous workmanship, damasked with serpent-forms in red and gold. They gleamed as he drew them from their black sheaths, wrought of some strange metal, light and strong, and set with many fiery stones. Whether by some virtue in these sheaths or because of the spell that lay on the mound, the blades seemed untouched by time, unrusted, sharp, glittering in the sun.
'Old knives are long enough as swords for hobbit-people,' he said. 'Sharp blades are good to have, if Shire-folk go walking, east, south, or far away into dark and danger.' Then he told them that these blades were forged many long years ago by Men of Westernesse: they were foes of the Dark Lord, but they were overcome by the evil king of Carn Dûm in the Land of Angmar.
Now, the use of "Magical Spells" does seem out of place and too "Elvish" for the work of Men. What then could be the meaning of:'Here we find tokens!' He picked out from the pile of grim weapons two knives, leaf-bladed, damasked in gold and red; and searching further he found also the sheaths, black, set with small red gems. 'No orc-tools these!' he said. 'They were borne by the hobbits. Doubtless the Orcs despoiled them, but feared to keep the knives, knowing them for what they are: work of Westernesse, wound about with spells for the bane of Mordor.
The "Spells" most likely were the damasked serpents and possibly runes marked on the blades that the Orcs recognised. What made the blades so special could only be the "Strange metal" of which they were made. Perhaps there is actually something about the metal that would interfere with the connection of ring and Wraith when it penetrated the body and though not fatal in itself the blow to the knee made the Witch king vulnerable to the force of Eowyn's strike.No other blade, not though mightier hands had wielded it, would have dealt that foe a wound so bitter, cleaving the undead flesh, breaking the spell that knit his unseen sinews to his will.
So it would appear.So we're doing this now? Here? 😇
I agree that any sword could have killed the Witch King had it struck the heart or other immediately fatal blow, I think that non-fatal strikes with other swords would not have the same effect as the Barrow-blade did.As I baited above, I think any sword could have "killed" the Witch-king . . . but you get one strike per sword, so it better be good. And if you only wound Mr. King, it would be handy to have a blade with extra potency. Also, if you break the connection (a "knitting together") between a man's will and his sinews, said man cannot make ("will" as a verb) his limbs move . . . in this case, to avoid or defend against a lethal strike from Eowyn.
Agreed. I only point out that the only real difference between the Barrow-blades and other swords is the metal they are made from. So if "no other blade" could do so then it is most likely this that caused the wound to be so effective at that time.realize one could say: and become vulnerable to regular blades is simply unsaid here, but I think it's simpler. Merry's wound was bitter indeed, it not only hurt, it allowed an otherwise (arguably) defeated Eowyn to struggle up and "kill" the Witch-king, who by his mere presence had already caused battle-trained men to flee from him in terror.
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