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Why didn't Gollum simply steal back the ring?

Alright, plenty of ambiguity there.. it's just I always hear everyone say that Frodo's supposed to be fifty, etc... but there's plenty of room to interpret that, what with the lifespan, possessing the Ring, etc. You can make a case either way.

93 is old, but can't be average. Some other really old ones among the Rohirrim, as I remember. Let's not forget, though, that Eomer had a Gondorian grandmother.
 
Half, or perhaps less than half in jest:
The main problem for filmmakers interested in making films featuring Elves, Hobbits and Dwarves is the surprising lack of such beings under contract to film agents (getting Orc roles filled seems to be less of an issue …). But seriously:

That is one thing which Bakshi's cartoon character of Frodo (not Sam!) got closer to my imagined picture of Hobbits: they should seem to resemble children primarily through their size, but a 33-year old Hobbit should in other respects on average resemble a 33-year-old human. So at a distance one would think Hobbits were children, but getting closer the picture should get contradictory for us, an obvious adult in a child-sized body.

I suppose even I would not chide PJ for not using specialty actors (except as doubles) for the films. Human stars of films simply have to resemble average-sized humans. What PJ then apparently opted for was, if he can't get that above-mentioned contradictory aspect in an actor, he just went for a young actor. But simply from "phenotype", as Elijah Wood tends (tended?) towards the thin, lanky side of the spectrum - I don't know about you, but one of the last adjectives I associate with Hobbits is "lanky"!

Actually, Gollum being lanky seems to be something of a consensus - but that is also what marked him out as having been so twisted and ruined from a Hobbit perspective.
 
Elijah Wood admitted to not have read LOTR even after the films were made. PJ allowed the actors to take ownership of their characters. We can see that in the best depictions like Gandalf, Strider/Aragorn, and Boromir. (Not to be confused with PJ's script and dialogue changes.)
Although Wood was young looking, he really fit Gandalf's description of Frodo to Barliman Butterbur:
" But this one is taller than some and fairer than most, and he has a cleft in his chin: perky chap with a bright eye." [FOTR, "Strider"]

Wood's depiction of Frodo as a weak, scared, wimp who trips and falls countless times has always annoyed me, but he does LOOK the part.

Getting back to the original thread, Gollum made a solemn promise "by" the PRECIOUS.
In one of the inner debates between Smeagol and Gollum, Smeagol keeps repeating that Smeagol promised. "But the Precious hold the promise", the voice of Smeagol objected. [ROTK, The Passage of the Marshes"] The inner debate goes on, Gollum mollifies Smeagol by warning him that "Master" is getting close and Sauron will take the Precious. Gollum presents a loop hole of the plan with Shelob, so Smeagol is not actually taking the Ring from Frodo. Smeagol swore to be be very good and to never let "Him" have it. Smeagol will save it..... I will serve the Master of the Precious"
Gollum has possessed the Ring, perhaps even longer than Sauron himself. Gollum is well aware of its power, and feels very strongly that a promise made on the ring is binding. Gollum offered to to swear ON the Precious in Emyn Muil, Frodo rebuked him. " How DARE you? Think!!" One Ring to rule them all and in the Darkness BIND them!! Would you commit your promise to that, Smeagol? It will hold you. But it is more treacherous than you are. It may twist your words. Beware!!'
Frodo remind Gollum of this later when they come to the Black Gate, "You swore a promise by ...the Precious. It will hold you to it; but it will seek a way to twist it to your own undoing......But the desire of it may betray you in the bitter end..."

This binding promise by the great power of the Ring is what keeps Gollum from stealing the Ring outright until he finds a loophole with Shelob and of course on Mount Doom when Gollum fully realized that Frodo intends to destroy the Ring.

What's interesting, though, is that the Ring twisted Frodo's words when he said to Gollum that if Frodo were to command Gollum to leap from a precipice or cast yourself into the fire, Gollum would obey. And such would be my command. Was this prescience or the Ring twisting Frodo's words exactly as he was warning Gollum that the Ring would do that?
 
The answer is simple, he sucks. Both Frodo and Sam are armed with swords and obviously got enough combat training, yet Glollum lacks these all. In addition, he maybe lacks enough nutrition and health care too XD
 

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