
My main question is whether Khamul is from the East. Even if we assumed that Tolkien rejected BE and used SE instead of BE in the present version, Why would Tolkien use the word "East" again in the present version (if he had a purpose to correct, or fix, that K was not from the East)? Therefore, Tolkien wanted to show again that Khamul is related to the east while writing the present version. From the information in Tolkien's sources, there is nothing to argue that Khamul was not from the east. If I am wrong, please correct it.Note 1 also explains that "The Second Chief (the Black Easterling)" appears in a rejected version (a version which did not include the name Khamul) -- a rejected version of the passage that refers to "Khamul" as "the Shadow of the East". I would say (unless I'm forgetting another reference) that Tolkien's "Black Easterling" might have been rejected for "Shadow of the East", but it hardly seems a point worth wrangling over (not that anyone is), considering the suggestion of both descriptions.
If I had to bet, I'd say that Khamul is an Easterling (at least in the sense of the UT Appendix description regarding the Third Age). And for myself anyway, to say otherwise I would want to see some evidence not to take the suggestion of either BE (Black Easterling) or SE (Shadow of the East),
or of both in tandem. That's not to say your notion is impossible, but at the moment I can't think of any good evidence to lead me down a different path here.
Khamul is also mentioned in various notes published by Hammond and Scull in their Reader's Guide to The Lord of the Rings, but unless I missed a further reference there (I don't think I did), K is not called BE in these, nor an Easterling. Hammond and Scull (not Tolkien admittedly) refer to K as "from the East."
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Goodness, you have direct access to these people? I have so many questions I could ask...Hammond and Scull mailed to me on 22/12/2020 and allowed me to share their ideas (I shared this comment in the previous thread, but since that thread were closed, I am sharing it here again). Their ideas are very similar to yours.
“Khamûl does seem to have been an Easterling, or Man from the East of Middle-earth, whatever that may have meant in Tolkien's mythology in terms of race, ethnicity, or customs. Tolkien provides only scanty information, calling him in one version of The Hunt for the Ring 'the second to the Chief, Khamûl the Shadow of the East', and in another, rejected version (as you saw), though unnamed, 'the Second Chief (the Black Easterling)'. 'The Black Easterling' of course is only another way of saying 'the Shadow of the East', black and shadow referring to a dark evil rather than to, say, skin colour.
Best wishes,
Wayne Hammond & Christina Scull”
Besides, Carl F. Hostetter, the editor of Nature of Middle-Earth, wrote the following on this subject and again allowed me to share it.
“I see no reason whatsoever to think that Tolkien ever “rejected” the idea that Khamûl was an Easterling — i.e., a man from and/or ruling in the east of Middle-earth. I’m unsure why anyone would think otherwise.
Carl”
Mark Fisher, the editor and owner of Encyclopedia of Arda, wrote the following about this subject and allowed me to share it.
“Regarding the rejected passage, I'm not sure that there's much we can say (since we're not told much about it, and certainly not why it was rejected). The reason for rewriting this text might have had nothing to do with Khamûl at all, so I don't think we can take it for granted that the 'Black Easterling' title was definitively rejected by Tolkien. Perhaps he simply preferred 'Shadow of the East'. In either case, I'd say the natural presumption would be that he imagined Khamûl as coming from the East. (It would be rather odd to imagine him changing his mind on this point, and then choosing 'Shadow of the East' as a title.)”
Good choices.Khamul is the main antagonist in my Middle-earth sword & sorcery RPG games. I treated him as an Easterling, though to me that meant some vague remix of of Corded Ware people and the wild cousins of Persians they called Saka - basically, what I made up to be 'Wainriders'.
Note 1 also explains that "The Second Chief (the Black Easterling)" appears in a rejected version (a version which did not include the name Khamul) -- a rejected version of the passage that refers to "Khamul" as "the Shadow of the East". I would say (unless I'm forgetting another reference) that Tolkien's "Black Easterling" might have been rejected for "Shadow of the East", but it hardly seems a point worth wrangling over (not that anyone is), considering the suggestion of both descriptions.
If I had to bet, I'd say that Khamul is an Easterling (at least in the sense of the UT Appendix description regarding the Third Age). And for myself anyway, to say otherwise I would want to see some evidence not to take the suggestion of either BE (Black Easterling) or SE (Shadow of the East),
or of both in tandem. That's not to say your notion is impossible, but at the moment I can't think of any good evidence to lead me down a different path here.
Khamul is also mentioned in various notes published by Hammond and Scull in their Reader's Guide to The Lord of the Rings, but unless I missed a further reference there (I don't think I did), K is not called BE in these, nor an Easterling. Hammond and Scull (not Tolkien admittedly) refer to K as "from the East."
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Quadrant 7!Sector 9.
Quadrant 7! By Grabthar’s hammer, I knew it! I nearly confused it with Sector 9 until the star-maps aligned. If we’re speaking the same language, then the Omega 13 is definitely humming somewhere nearby.Quadrant 7!
If anyone gets the reference, you are a kindred spirit of a special kind.
Oh, of course! Yet I was adding onto your location with specificity.Quadrant 7! By Grabthar’s hammer, I knew it! I nearly confused it with Sector 9 until the star-maps aligned. If we’re speaking the same language, then the Omega 13 is definitely humming somewhere nearby.
Ah! The sacred coordinates themselves! Spoken like a true Protector helm officer under pressure. I can almost hear the Thermians cheering in perfect unison.Oh, of course! Yet I was adding onto your location with specificity.
"Sector 9! Quadrant 7!"