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There was a BBC Radio adaptation in the 70s with Michael Hordern (Gandalf in their LOTR adaptation) as Jeeves. It's on Spotify:
Thank you! It will be nice to be able to listen to Jeeves on Spotify, Makes it a lot easier to be able to listen to it.

Looks like some episodes are also on YouTube.
Yes, that's actually were I watch the show! Watched every episode of it at least twice, if not more.
 
I think I have the DVDs somewhere. If memory serves, the radio series adhered a bit more closely to the books, but you can see how they compare.
 
I recently pushed through to the end of the Letters of J. R. R. Tolkien. It was worth the read but is one of those books you can't just fly through; I feel like I should take notes when I reread it. It did right down a few quotes I loved:

"As far as any character is 'like me' it is Faramir - except that I lack what all my characters possess(let the psychoanaylsts note!) courage."

"To a storyteller a journey is a marvelous device. It provides a strong thread on which a multitude of things he has in mind may be strung to make a new thing, various, unpredictable, and yet coherent."

"As the high legends of the beginning are supposed to look at things through Elvish minds, so the Middle tale of the Hobbit takes a virtually human point of view - and the last tale blends them."

- J. R. R. Tolkien
 
I've just finished Ian Fleming's Moonraker (1955). What an excellent tightly written spy thriller!. It's a three part story and there isn't a word or scene wasted. There are no gadgets, no Q, no Jaws, no stupid ray gun battle in space. The only feature the 1979 film shares with the book is the name of the baddie, whose appearance and character are completely different. The book is set entirely in London and SE England but does include the exotic, fictional (but likely realistic) gentlemen's card playing and gambling club, Blades. This would be just the kind of place where Omar Sharif would play high stakes bridge when in London.

Even so, Fleming manages to squeeze in some sea diving even in the icy cold waters round England in May. One wonders if anyone has considered an accurate film version set in the 1950s. The three classic cars that feature in a car chase would be a problem to find and use though. There's only one main Bond girl but she is portrayed as a much stronger character than the sequence of beauties in the film. There's no "oh James" from Gala Brand!

The description of the high stakes bridge game is brilliant - think the famous scene in The Sting. Now Robert Shaw really makes that scene and the film as a whole "you follow". With his rugged good looks Shaw could easily have played James Bond in the early films but makes such a good baddie. A lot is written about PJ's portrayal of Tolkien but they are nowhere near the travesty the 1979 Moonraker film is. Shaw was the brilliant baddie in From Russia with Love.
 
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Not a book, but I read the SF short story "Bears Discover Fire" by Terry Bisson around the time it came out, in a "Best of the Year" anthology. I hadn't been able to locate that copy, but I see it's online, if anyone's interested:


It won both Hugo and Nebula awards that year.
 
Currently reading this book, which purports to share (in Ent's words) the history of the evolution of thinking about the earth, our understanding of it, including its age, development, etc., and the impacts those things had in the "revolution of man's thinking."

Ent has no opinion - certainly no perspective - regarding its overall value at this point. But it is interesting.

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Not a book, but I read the SF short story "Bears Discover Fire" by Terry Bisson around the time it came out, in a "Best of the Year" anthology. I hadn't been able to locate that copy, but I see it's online, if anyone's interested:


It won both Hugo and Nebula awards that year.
Great story. Thanks for posting it. 🙂
 
Again, not a book, but I'm posting it anyway.
There are not a few members here who will appreciate this...(it's an op-ed, and I don't necessarily agree with everything the author says but, still , take it FWIW... 🙂)

From The Spectator
(Drawing by Sidney Paget but *ahem* any "Doyle reading" Holmes-ian would know that without being told 😉)

There's no one more obsessive than Sherlock Holmes fans. And I should know
by Damian Thompson

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There is no better time to read a Sherlock Holmes story than a winter evening. As the rain lashes against the windows and the fog descends, we can imagine ourselves sitting companionably with the great detective and the good doctor around the Baker Street hearth, waiting for the step of a visitor upon the stair.
Unfortunately, our 21st-century climate rarely cooperates. The rainstorm arrives when we’re far from a hearth, fighting with an umbrella that turns inside-out at the first breath of wind. And when were you last enveloped in a London fog? The savagery of the elements beating down on 221b seems to belong to another world. ‘It was a wild, tempestuous night, towards the close of November… Outside the wind howled down Baker Street’ (‘The Adventure of the Golden Pince-Nez’). ‘The storm grew higher and louder, and the wind cried and sobbed like a child in the chimney’ (‘The Five Orange Pips’). ‘I doubt whether it was ever possible from our windows in Baker Street to see the loom of the opposite houses’ (‘The Bruce- Partington Plans’).

Curiously, though, it rarely snows in Holmes’s London – and just one of the 60 mysteries, ‘The Adventure of the Blue Carbuncle’, published in the Strand magazine in 1892, is set at Christmas.

That story begins with the newly married Dr Watson dropping in on his former flatmate to wish him the compliments of the seasons. Suddenly the building’s commissionaire rushes in to show Holmes what he has found in the crop of his festive goose – ‘a brilliantly scintillating blue stone’. It is the fabulous blue carbuncle stolen from the Countess of Morcar five days earlier.

But hang on – geese don’t have crops. That may strike you as a trivial detail, but dedicated Sherlock Holmes fans, known as Sherlockians, revel in such discrepancies. There are hundreds of inconsistencies in ‘the Canon’ (the four Holmes novels and 56 short stories). I should know: I’ve been an obsessive Sherlockian since childhood. My bookcase is bursting with Sherlockiana, including all the bound Strand magazines containing the short stories illustrated by Sidney Paget, a copy of The Hound of the Baskervilles signed by Arthur Conan Doyle and three annotated sets of the complete Canon.

The multi-volume Sherlock Holmes Reference Library edited by Leslie S. Klinger devotes two pages to the problem of geese’s nonexistent crops, which Holmes fanatics have been debating ever since one Miss Mildred Sammons pointed it out in a letter to the Chicago Tribune in 1946. This prompted Sherlockians to consult ministers of agriculture, veterinary surgeons and butchers. Was Watson referring to the goose’s lower gullet, which might conceivably conceal a stolen jewel? Or had his editors altered the vowel in ‘crop’ from an ‘a’ to an ‘o’ in order to avoid offending Victorian sensibilities?

You’d be forgiven for thinking that Sherlockians are mad. We are, but there’s a method to our madness. It’s called ‘playing the game’. On the face of it, there’s an obvious solution to the mystery of the crop. For Conan Doyle, the Holmes stories were a distraction from his historical novels, so he dashed them off without checking details; later in ‘The Blue Carbuncle’ he underlines his ignorance of London by having Holmes and Watson question a poultry dealer in Covent Garden fruit and vegetable market, which is like going to Smithfield to buy bananas. But when Sherlockians play the game, they pretend that Dr John H. Watson was a real person faithfully recording the detective’s cases. They employ the techniques of advanced scholarship to explain why, for example, in The Sign of Four Holmes and Watson set out for the Lyceum Theatre in July but arrive there on a cloudy September evening.

The game was invented in 1911 by the future Monsignor Ronald Knox when he was a junior fellow at Trinity College, Oxford. His paper ‘Studies in the Literature of Sherlock Holmes’ was intended to parody the earnest attempts of liberal Protestant scholars to account for contradictions in the Bible. An early convert to the game was Dorothy L. Sayers, who stirred up a ferocious, never-settled controversy over whether the young Sherlock was educated at Oxford or Cambridge. (She opted for the latter – wrongly, in my opinion.)

It was a former Rhodes scholar, the newspaper columnist and novelist Christopher Morley (1890-1957), who was responsible for planting Sherlockianism in North America. Morley was the most industrious trencherman in Manhattan. He liked to turn his three-hour lunches into impromptu literary societies, one of which he named the Baker Street Irregulars (BSI) after the street urchins recruited as spies by Sherlock Holmes.

Founded in 1934, the BSI is older than the Sherlock Holmes Society of London. Compared with their more reticent cousins, the Irregulars play the game with mock-solemn gusto, which British cynics might say is what happens when Americans adopt Anglophile customs. But that would be churlish. The Baker Street Irregulars are unlike any other literary society in the world.

Membership is strictly invitation-only. New Irregulars are ‘invested’ at an annual dinner celebrating Holmes’s supposed birthday on 6 January. (The tarnishing of that date has not gone down well; many Sherlockians would happily tip Donald Trump into the Reichenbach Falls.) At the same time, however, the BSI encourages the flourishing of ‘scion societies’ and their Canadian equivalents, most of which are open to anyone.

There are around 200 active Sherlockian groups in North America. This month alone there have been meetings of the Stormy Petrels of Vancouver, the Hansom Wheels of Columbia, Dr Watson’s Neglected Patients in Denver, the Notorious Canary-Trainers of Madison, the Sound of the Baskervilles in Seattle and the Bootmakers of Toronto. The Norwegian Explorers of Minnesota, founded in 1948, are holding their annual dinner, while the Afghanistan Perceivers of Oklahoma and the Illustrious Clients of Indiana-polis are both staging Blue Carbuncle celebrations.

There will also be one of the monthly ‘ASH Wednesday’ dinners of the Adventuresses of Sherlock Holmes. Mattias Boström, in his Life and Death of Sherlock Holmes, describes the bizarre genesis of this group. On a bitterly cold winter’s day in January 1968, the all-male BSI dinner at Cavanaugh’s Restaurant, New York, was picketed by teenage female Sherlockians ‘dressed in animal-patterned fake furs, miniskirts, fishnet stockings and high heels’. The BSI invited them in for a drink in the downstairs bar – but it was not until 1991 that women were invested.

That move was long overdue. Women Irregulars have blown the cobwebs off the game. For example, Dr Mary Alcaro, an authority on the literary impact of the Black Death, is also a qualified bartender who creates ‘Sherlocktails’; her ‘Jabez Wilson’, named after the pawnbroker from ‘The Red-Headed League’, is a flame-coloured mixture of gin, Campari and ginger ale. Monica Schmidt, a clinical psychologist, has made a plausible argument that the wounded Afghan veteran Watson suffers from post-traumatic stress disorder. She also addresses the fascinating question: how high do you get if you inject yourself with a 7 per cent solution of cocaine?

All of which makes our home-grown Sherlockians sound less fun than the Americans. Certainly we’re less consumed by the hobby. But in other respects Britain calls the tune. Countless BSI members discovered Holmes through the Granada television series starring Jeremy Brett. Younger enthusiasts fell in love with Benedict Cumberbatch in the BBC’s Sherlock, which began stylishly but curdled into preachiness and digital trickery. And now we have Sherlock & Co, an audio podcast that updates Conan Doyle with far greater ingenuity than Sherlock.

Joel Emery’s scripts and Adam Jarrell’s direction play audacious tricks with the plots while filling the episodes with subtle homages that even a seasoned Sherlockian might miss. Toilet jokes alternate with pitch-perfect satire: the few seconds of fake Joe Rogan in ‘Silver Blaze’ are alone worth the price of admission. Yet the crimes are chilling. The ten-episode Hound of the Baskervilles may be the most frightening adaptation ever.

Most daringly, Sherlock & Co turns the Baker Street duo into a trio. Harry Attwell’s autistic Holmes and Paul Waggott’s chirpy Watson are joined by Mariana, the detective agency’s Spanish business manager, played by Marta da Silva. You’ll have to listen for yourselves to discover exactly how it works, but the general principle is one spelled out by Christopher Morley in 1944: that the Sherlock Holmes stories can be understood as ‘a textbook of friendship’, a quality displayed most touchingly around the Baker Street fireplace.

It may be Sherlockian heresy to say so, but the plots in the Canon are ultimately less interesting than the relationship between Holmes, the ‘perfect reasoning machine’ with a mischievous streak, and the carefully etched character of Watson. But perhaps the most precious feature of the stories is the atmosphere created by Conan Doyle. He was writing just as Dickensian London was giving way to suburbia. That unique moment enabled him to create a fusion of the Gothic and the domestic whose appeal is magically captured in a poem that many Sherlockians know by heart – Vincent Starrett’s ‘221b’, written in America to warm the hearts of Londoners during the darkest days of the second world war:

A yellow fog swirls past the window-pane
As night descends upon this fabled street:
A lonely hansom splashes through the rain,
The ghostly gas lamps fail at twenty feet.
Here, though the world explode, these two survive,
And it is always eighteen ninety-five.
 
You’d be forgiven for thinking that Sherlockians are mad. .... Sherlockians play the game, they pretend that Dr John H. Watson was a real person faithfully recording the detective’s cases.
Actually this is where the writer is wrong, dead wrong, seven ways from Sunday WRONG (and is obviously a pathetic Sherlockian poseur).
Holmes is real, Watson is real, 221B Baker Street is real. Always has been, always will be.
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Well funnily enough, Deimos, the Robin of Sherwood fan group I'm in have been rewatching the Jeremy Brett ITV Sherlock Holmes TV programmes; and we have been struck about how well the programmes evoke the period, and stick pretty closely to the accounts. And this has provoked some Sherlockian discussions. One question I have is about the name of our favourite Scotland Yard detective: Lestrade. A little online research showed this to be a common name in Gascony, France. Gascony was a stronghold of the Huguenots so I was wondering if Lestrade, portrayed in the series as from the East End of London, came from a Huguenot family. Any ideas? I can't find a definitive answer to this question.

Just finished Shout! an unofficial biography by Philip Norman that Folio society have just produced for the recently updated version. I wasn't sure so borrowed the original 1981 edition from the library. Actually pretty interesting, especially the early days and the lives of the ill fated Stuart Sutcliffe, and Pete Best whose good looks appealed to the teenage girls. It's mostly about John and Paul and is fairly anti Paul. Also the idea that John was this nice middle class boy didn't quite match his behaviour as a teenager!

There's less about George and Ringo but the little there is confirmed my view that Ringo was the nicest and most well grounded of the Fab Four. When they went to India to stay with the Maharishi, Ringo took a large consignment of baked beans in case they didn't like the food, and left after only ten days. Another fascinating aspect was the ingenuity and dedication of their many young female fans, including the hard core who camped outside Paul'ss home in St. John's Wood and would outpace his car when he drove the short distance to Abbey Road.
 
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Lestrade.
There is no direct, or even tangential, canonical evidence in any of Doyle's work Lestrade is French-born, from a French or Huguenot family, has an accent of any kind, or has his family background spoken to in any way.

Doyle seems to go out of his way not to indicate Lestrade is foreign. This contrasts a bit with Doyle's Monsieur Dubois, Von Bork, Count Sylvius, and others.

Historically, generations of Huguenots had indeed settled and become completely Anglicized in the east of London... so it's not out of the question. However, Doyle also does not put Lestrade socially or geographically specifically within the required area to make that infrerence.

It's odd, given Holmes' marked perception of minutia, he is entirely devoid of any comment about Lestrade's ethnicity, background, accents, etc. And given his predilections elsewhere, this silence matters.

The Ent feels he must judge, given the lack of all evidence other than the loose association of the name itself, weight is against Lestrade being a Huguenot - but its entirely possible, but either way, it's speculation.
 
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Well funnily enough, Deimos, the Robin of Sherwood fan group I'm in have been rewatching the Jeremy Brett ITV Sherlock Holmes TV programmes; and we have been struck about how well the programmes evoke the period, and stick pretty closely to the accounts. And this has provoked some Sherlockian discussions. One question I have is about the name of our favourite Scotland Yard detective: Lestrade. A little online research showed this to be a common name in Gascony, France. Gascony was a stronghold of the Huguenots so I was wondering if Lestrade, portrayed in the series as from the East End of London, came from a Huguenot family. Any ideas? I can't find a definitive answer to this question.

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The mixing of the English Anglo-Saxon culture and the French (Norman/Gallic) culture began with the victory of the French Army commanded by William, Duke of Normandy (aka William the Conqueror) , at the Battle of Hastings (1066). From that point on French culture blended with English culture and the French aristocracy (who took possession of English landholdings) gained ascendancy over the English aristocracy.
This resulted in (among many other influences) the introduction of French family names. Also Norman French became the language of the court, law, and nobility.
I cannot say if around that time, or in the following centuries, the particular name "Lestrade" may have become an "English" surname.
But there was an awful lot of "marrying an begetting" (not always in that order 😄) between 1066 and the Victorian era.
 
Note that this was a question asked of Deimos based on the fact that Lestrade is a surname which is mostly found in French speaking communities as this map shows:
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He should have kept to his original intention of eight books, in my opinion (aside from the death problem). He had so many plot lines going that the later books succumbed to inertia.
 

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