Adrian Atandil
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Okay, first off, you must realize Tolkien only gave a few definite numbers for the Siege of Gondor/Battle of Pelennor Fields. But he did leave hints that we can figure out, which I hope to do here. I have here many quotes for our use and my arguments as to numbers at the battle.
-200 Axe men of Lossarnach
'So few! Two hundreds, what are they? We hoped for ten times the number. That will be the new tidings of the black fleet. They are sparing only a tithe of their strength.' -ROTK Book 1 Pg. 30-31
From Webster’s II New College Dictionary:
tithe 3. a. A tenth part. b. A very small part.
-300 men of Ringlo Vale
-500 bowmen from Morthond
-100 fisher-folk from the Ethir
-300 soldiers from Pinnath Gelin
-700 men at arms of Dol Amroth plus a company of knights
And so the companies came and were hailed and cheered and passed trough the Gate, men of the Outlands marching to defend the City of Gondor in a dark hour; but always too few, always less than hope looked for or need asked. The men of Ringlo Vale behind the son of their lord, Dervorin striding on foot: three hundreds. From the uplands of Morthond, the great Blackroot Vale, tall Duinhir with his sons, Duilin and Derufin, and five hundredbowmen. From the Anfalas, the Langstrand far away, a long line of men of many sorts, hunters and herdsmen and men of little villages, scantily equipped save for the household of Golasgil their lord. From Lamedon, a few grim hillmen without a captain. Fisher-folk of the Ethir, some hundred or more spared from the ships. Hirluin the Fair of the Green Hills from Pinnath Gelin with three hundreds of gallant green-clad men. And last and proudest, Imrahil, Prince of Dol Amroth, with gilded banners bearing his token of the Ship and silver Swan, and a company of knights in full harness riding grey horses; and behind them seven hundreds of men at arms, tall as lords, grey-eyed, dark-haired, signing as they came. -ROTK Book 1 Pg. 31
So we have 2,300 reinforcements as of this point without knowing the number of soldiers Anfalas or Lamedon or the number of knights that Imrahi led, but we have this:
And that was all, less than three thousands full told. No more would come. -ROTK Book 1 Pg. 31
So that remaining soldiers must be less than 700 combined.
'For this attack will draw off much of the help that we looked to have from Lebennin and Belfalas, where folk are hardy and numerous.' -ROTK Book 1 Pg. 25
In fact, it seems to me than not only was Ithilien deserted, but all of Anorien north of Minas Tirith and the Rammas with the exception of Cair Andros and the beacons leading to the border of Rohan.
“[A]nd Eomer five hundreds of the Rohirrim who were unhorsed but themselves warworthy, and he himself should lead five hundreds of his best Riders on horse; and another company of five hundred horse there should be,”
But wait; here it says a company of five hundred horse. And all the numbers before that were multiples of 500 as well. So can we safely assume Tolkien means a company to be 500 soldiers? If so then we know the number of Imrahil’s company on horse. So we now have the following:
-200 Axe men of Lossarnach
-300 men of Ringlo Vale
-500 bowmen from Morthond
-100 fisher-folk from the Ethir
-300 soldiers from Pinnath Gelin
-700 men at arms of Dol Amroth
-500 Swan knights of Dol Amroth
We now have 2,600 in reinforcements pending the number of troops from Lamedon or Anfalas and knowing the final number is less than 3,000. I doubt that even 100 men came from Lamedon, as that was the lowest number Tolkien used, yet only ‘a few grim hillmen’ could come to Minas Tirith.
Moving on to the standing army of Minas Tirith itself we know the following:
'Nay, nay,' Beregond laughed, 'I am no captain. Neither office nor rank nor lordship have I, being but a plain man of arms of the Third Company of the Citadel.' -ROTK Book 1 Pg. 27
So there are at least 3 companies of the Citadel Guard itself plus at least one out company and we hypothesize from earlier quotes that a company is 500 men. Therefore:
-2,000 Warriors of Minas Tirith
Now it is very likely that garrison of Minas Tirith was greater than this as I speculate their was probably another out company and possibly another company of the Citadel Guard and/or several companies of your basic grunt soldiers of Gondor. The number of defenders at the beginning of the seige was probably somewhere between 5,000 - 6,000 soldiers.
'Today we may make the Enemy pay ten times our loss at the passage and yet rue the exchange." -ROTK Book 1 Pg. 84
-6000 Rohirrim
'Ten thousand spears I might have sent riding over the plain to the dismay of your foes. It will be less now, I fear; for I will not leave my strongholds all unguarded. Yet six thousands at the least shall ride behind me." -ROTK Book 1 Pg. 65
-30 Dunedain
'I have thirty with me,' said Halbarad. 'That is all of our kindred that could be gathered in haste; but the brethren Elladan and Elrohir have ridden with us, desiring to go to the war.' -ROTK Book 1 Pg. 36
'There at Pelargir lay the main fleet of Umbar, fifty great ships and smaller vessels beyond count.' -ROTK Book 1 Pg. 156
'For there were many captives set free, and many slaves released who had been folk of Gondor taken in raids; and soon also there was a great gathering of men out of Lebennin and the Ethir, and Angbor of Lamedon came up with all the horsemen that he could muster.' -ROTK Book 1 Pg. 158
'For during that evening and night many ships were made ready and manned; and in the morning the fleet set forth.' -ROTK Book 1 Pg. 158
‘If we must ride soon, then I cannot hope to lead even two thousands, and yet leave as many for the defense of the city.’ -ROTK Book 1 Pg. 162
‘New strength is on the way from the southern fiefs, now that the coasts have been rid. Four thousands I sent marching from Pelargir through Lossarnach two days ago; and Angbor the fearless rides before them. If we set out in two days more, they will draw nigh ere we depart. Moreover many were bidden to follow me up the River in any craft they could gather; and with this wind they will soon be at hand, indeed several ships have already come to he Harlond. I judge that we could lead out seven thousands of horse and foot, and yet leave the City in better defense than it was when the assault began.”
Aragorn should find some two thousands of those that he had gathered to him in the South; but Imrahil should find three and a half thousands; and Eomer five hundreds of the Rohirrim who were unhorsed but themselves warworthy, and he himself should lead five hundreds of his best Riders on horse; and another company of five hundred horse there should be, among which should ride the sons of Elrond with the Dunedain and the knights of Dol Amroth: all told six thousand foot and a thousand horse. But the main strength of the Rohirrim that remained horsed and able to fight, some three thousand under the command of Elfhelm, should waylay the West Road against the enemy that was in Anorien.
‘Surely,’ he cried, ‘this is the greatest jest in all the history of Gondor: that we should ride with seven thousands, scarce as many as the vanguard of its army in the days of its power, to assail the mountains and the impenetrable gate of the Black Land!’
So after all is said and done we know that there were at least 4,000 warworthy Rohirrim, but that they had taken a grievous hurt in number of horses more than men. Aragorn brought at least 2,000 soldiers from Pelargir on his initial voyage and sent at least another 4,000 marching to the defense of the city. There are also at least 3,500 remaining defenders inside the city. So if we have 3,000 Rohirrim left in the city and 4,000 reinforcements from the fiefs arriving before Aragorn and company set out then we have a bare minimum of 7,000 inside the city, which does not include the number of original defenders left in the city, probably no less than 1,000 and no more than 2,500. That would definitely concur with Aragorn’s statement that the city would be left in better defense than before the siege began, ~8,000-9,500 vs. >6,000.
-200 Axe men of Lossarnach
'So few! Two hundreds, what are they? We hoped for ten times the number. That will be the new tidings of the black fleet. They are sparing only a tithe of their strength.' -ROTK Book 1 Pg. 30-31
From Webster’s II New College Dictionary:
tithe 3. a. A tenth part. b. A very small part.
-300 men of Ringlo Vale
-500 bowmen from Morthond
-100 fisher-folk from the Ethir
-300 soldiers from Pinnath Gelin
-700 men at arms of Dol Amroth plus a company of knights
And so the companies came and were hailed and cheered and passed trough the Gate, men of the Outlands marching to defend the City of Gondor in a dark hour; but always too few, always less than hope looked for or need asked. The men of Ringlo Vale behind the son of their lord, Dervorin striding on foot: three hundreds. From the uplands of Morthond, the great Blackroot Vale, tall Duinhir with his sons, Duilin and Derufin, and five hundredbowmen. From the Anfalas, the Langstrand far away, a long line of men of many sorts, hunters and herdsmen and men of little villages, scantily equipped save for the household of Golasgil their lord. From Lamedon, a few grim hillmen without a captain. Fisher-folk of the Ethir, some hundred or more spared from the ships. Hirluin the Fair of the Green Hills from Pinnath Gelin with three hundreds of gallant green-clad men. And last and proudest, Imrahil, Prince of Dol Amroth, with gilded banners bearing his token of the Ship and silver Swan, and a company of knights in full harness riding grey horses; and behind them seven hundreds of men at arms, tall as lords, grey-eyed, dark-haired, signing as they came. -ROTK Book 1 Pg. 31
So we have 2,300 reinforcements as of this point without knowing the number of soldiers Anfalas or Lamedon or the number of knights that Imrahi led, but we have this:
And that was all, less than three thousands full told. No more would come. -ROTK Book 1 Pg. 31
So that remaining soldiers must be less than 700 combined.
'For this attack will draw off much of the help that we looked to have from Lebennin and Belfalas, where folk are hardy and numerous.' -ROTK Book 1 Pg. 25
In fact, it seems to me than not only was Ithilien deserted, but all of Anorien north of Minas Tirith and the Rammas with the exception of Cair Andros and the beacons leading to the border of Rohan.
“[A]nd Eomer five hundreds of the Rohirrim who were unhorsed but themselves warworthy, and he himself should lead five hundreds of his best Riders on horse; and another company of five hundred horse there should be,”
But wait; here it says a company of five hundred horse. And all the numbers before that were multiples of 500 as well. So can we safely assume Tolkien means a company to be 500 soldiers? If so then we know the number of Imrahil’s company on horse. So we now have the following:
-200 Axe men of Lossarnach
-300 men of Ringlo Vale
-500 bowmen from Morthond
-100 fisher-folk from the Ethir
-300 soldiers from Pinnath Gelin
-700 men at arms of Dol Amroth
-500 Swan knights of Dol Amroth
We now have 2,600 in reinforcements pending the number of troops from Lamedon or Anfalas and knowing the final number is less than 3,000. I doubt that even 100 men came from Lamedon, as that was the lowest number Tolkien used, yet only ‘a few grim hillmen’ could come to Minas Tirith.
Moving on to the standing army of Minas Tirith itself we know the following:
'Nay, nay,' Beregond laughed, 'I am no captain. Neither office nor rank nor lordship have I, being but a plain man of arms of the Third Company of the Citadel.' -ROTK Book 1 Pg. 27
So there are at least 3 companies of the Citadel Guard itself plus at least one out company and we hypothesize from earlier quotes that a company is 500 men. Therefore:
-2,000 Warriors of Minas Tirith
Now it is very likely that garrison of Minas Tirith was greater than this as I speculate their was probably another out company and possibly another company of the Citadel Guard and/or several companies of your basic grunt soldiers of Gondor. The number of defenders at the beginning of the seige was probably somewhere between 5,000 - 6,000 soldiers.
'Today we may make the Enemy pay ten times our loss at the passage and yet rue the exchange." -ROTK Book 1 Pg. 84
-6000 Rohirrim
'Ten thousand spears I might have sent riding over the plain to the dismay of your foes. It will be less now, I fear; for I will not leave my strongholds all unguarded. Yet six thousands at the least shall ride behind me." -ROTK Book 1 Pg. 65
-30 Dunedain
'I have thirty with me,' said Halbarad. 'That is all of our kindred that could be gathered in haste; but the brethren Elladan and Elrohir have ridden with us, desiring to go to the war.' -ROTK Book 1 Pg. 36
'There at Pelargir lay the main fleet of Umbar, fifty great ships and smaller vessels beyond count.' -ROTK Book 1 Pg. 156
'For there were many captives set free, and many slaves released who had been folk of Gondor taken in raids; and soon also there was a great gathering of men out of Lebennin and the Ethir, and Angbor of Lamedon came up with all the horsemen that he could muster.' -ROTK Book 1 Pg. 158
'For during that evening and night many ships were made ready and manned; and in the morning the fleet set forth.' -ROTK Book 1 Pg. 158
‘If we must ride soon, then I cannot hope to lead even two thousands, and yet leave as many for the defense of the city.’ -ROTK Book 1 Pg. 162
‘New strength is on the way from the southern fiefs, now that the coasts have been rid. Four thousands I sent marching from Pelargir through Lossarnach two days ago; and Angbor the fearless rides before them. If we set out in two days more, they will draw nigh ere we depart. Moreover many were bidden to follow me up the River in any craft they could gather; and with this wind they will soon be at hand, indeed several ships have already come to he Harlond. I judge that we could lead out seven thousands of horse and foot, and yet leave the City in better defense than it was when the assault began.”
Aragorn should find some two thousands of those that he had gathered to him in the South; but Imrahil should find three and a half thousands; and Eomer five hundreds of the Rohirrim who were unhorsed but themselves warworthy, and he himself should lead five hundreds of his best Riders on horse; and another company of five hundred horse there should be, among which should ride the sons of Elrond with the Dunedain and the knights of Dol Amroth: all told six thousand foot and a thousand horse. But the main strength of the Rohirrim that remained horsed and able to fight, some three thousand under the command of Elfhelm, should waylay the West Road against the enemy that was in Anorien.
‘Surely,’ he cried, ‘this is the greatest jest in all the history of Gondor: that we should ride with seven thousands, scarce as many as the vanguard of its army in the days of its power, to assail the mountains and the impenetrable gate of the Black Land!’
So after all is said and done we know that there were at least 4,000 warworthy Rohirrim, but that they had taken a grievous hurt in number of horses more than men. Aragorn brought at least 2,000 soldiers from Pelargir on his initial voyage and sent at least another 4,000 marching to the defense of the city. There are also at least 3,500 remaining defenders inside the city. So if we have 3,000 Rohirrim left in the city and 4,000 reinforcements from the fiefs arriving before Aragorn and company set out then we have a bare minimum of 7,000 inside the city, which does not include the number of original defenders left in the city, probably no less than 1,000 and no more than 2,500. That would definitely concur with Aragorn’s statement that the city would be left in better defense than before the siege began, ~8,000-9,500 vs. >6,000.

