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🧙‍♂️ How old is Gandalf?

And no, Maiar are NOT Ainur. Valar, and Ainur are the same, unless my memory is mistaken...
Indeed, Loremaster, your memory is mistaken. I know you said there is no need to discuess this right now, but i dont think people should be mislead..
With the Valar came other spirits whose being also began before the World, of the same order as the Valar but of a less degree
Taken from the Silmarillion; Of the Maiar

This order that Tolkien speaks of is the Ainur.
There are a great many more references to Maiar being Ainur along with the Valar, in the Silmarillion and the Histories of Middle-earth.
Lastly, a quote from the Encyclopedia of Arda.
The many lesser Ainur that accompanied the Valar into Arda are known as Maiar.
Now, i know the Encyclopedia of Arda isnt written by Tolkien, but it still is quite a reliable source of information. And seeing as you trust in your Characters of Tolkien book quite a bit, which too isnt written by Tolkien, then you can also trust in the Encyclopedia's information.
 
Sounds like a great book; althuogh it can't be that good if it doesn't state what gandalf real name is.. :rolleyes:
Here are some quotes from Unfinished Tales, The Istari:
Olórin is a High-elven name, and must therefore have been given to him in Valinor by the Eldar, or be a 'translation' meant to be significant to them. In either case, what was the significance of the name, given or assumed? Olor is a word often translated 'dream', but that does not refer to (most) human 'dreams', certainly not the dreams of sleep. To the Eldar it included the vivid contents of their memory, as of their imagination: it referred in fact to clear vision, in the mind, of things not physically present at the body's situation. But not only to an idea, but to a full clothing of this in particular form and detail.
Words deriving from this root are cited: Quenya olos, 'dream, vision', plural olozi/olori; ola- (impersonal) 'to dream; olosta 'dreamy'. A reference is then made to Olofantur, which was the earlier 'true' name of Lórien, the Vala who was 'master of visions and dreams', before it was changed to Irmo in the Silmarillion (as Nurufantur was changed to Námo (Mandos): though the plural Fëanturi for these two 'brethren' survived in the Valaquenta).
These discussions of olos, olor are clearly to be connected with the passage in the Valaquenta where it is said that Olórin dwelt in Lórien in Valinor, and that though he loved the Elves, he walked among them unseen, or in form as one of them, and they did not know whence came the fair visions or the promptings of wisdom that he put in their hearts.
 
I am not sure but I think the wizards were sent to Middle-earth in 2000 of the Third age ( The war of the ring is in 3019 of the 3rd age. that puts Gandalf on middle earth for approx 1000 years). The Istari (wizards) were sent to middle earth to rally men and elves to stop sauron. They were forbidden to use open displays of their true power to stop Sauron, so all they could do is encourage elves and men instead of directly interfering with sauron.
 
Gandalf is a Maiar, that means a spirit that existed before Arda. So, he can't be measured in years, because he existed before Time.
But if you ask about the incarnate Gandalf then redline2200 gave you the answer.
And the Istari (wizards) were sent to confront Sauron, but not opposing their power against hi, but by urging men to take action.
When Sauron was defeated, Gandalf said: "I must leave now. I was the enemy of Sauron and he no longer exists." His task was completed and he could return to Aman.
 
I remember doing the math on a thread long ago, and he is 2021 years old. He came into Middle Earth as Gandalf 1000years into the 1st age, i think, and he lived till the end of the third, or remained Gandalf until the end of the third. 2021 years
 
Gandalf is a Maia, a spirit, so he has no mortal body. When he was sent to ME, he received a mortal body. This body, though stronger than a normal human body, could be killed in battle, as happened when he fought the Balrog. But that was only his mortal body, his real being, his spirit, didn't die, because it is immortal. So only the mortal body Gandalf uses can be killed, but he himself can't.
 
It was a new body, but it was still in the form that the Istari took on in Middle-earth- as an old man.
 
Originally posted by Niniel
Gandalf is a Maia, a spirit, so he has no mortal body. When he was sent to ME, he received a mortal body. This body, though stronger than a normal human body, could be killed in battle, as happened when he fought the Balrog. But that was only his mortal body, his real being, his spirit, didn't die, because it is immortal. So only the mortal body Gandalf uses can be killed, but he himself can't.

Olorin is a Maia. Gandalf was Olorin in the form of a man.

And Gandalf the gray dies fighting the Balrog andis reincarnated as Gandalf the White. I just assume that his lifespan ends at 2021 years old because that's when he goes into the West, and the book ends. Really, Gandalf the Gray is 2010 years old, because he dies fighting the Balrog. Gandalf the White is 11 years old. hehe. Gandalf's 11! But suriously, because he is reincarnated, and lives about 10 years as Gandalf the White. or is it 20 years?...
 
We got you the first time... But where did you get 11? Gandalf the White has been alive for three years or something when Gandalf goes to the West? Or am I missing something?
 
Here's a tidbit of info given to us by the author.
from Unfinished Tales, The Istari
Among Men they were supposed (at first) by those that had dealings with them to be Men who had acquired lore and arts by long and secret study. They first appeared in Middle-earth about the year 1000 of the Third Age, but for long they went about in simple guise, as it were of Men already old in years but hale in body, travellers and wanderers, gaining knowledge of Middle-earth and all that dwelt therein, but revealing to none their powers and purposes. In that time Men saw them seldom and heeded them little. But as the shadow of Sauron began to grow and take shape again, they became more active and sought ever to contest the growth of the Shadow, and to move Elves and Men to beware of their peril. Then far and wide rumour of their comings and goings, and their meddling in many matters, was noised about the Men; and Men perceived that they did not die, but remained the same (unless it were that they aged somewhat in looks), while the fathers and sons of Men passed away. Men, therefore, grew to fear them, even when they loved them, and they were held to be of the Elven-race (with whom, indeed, they often consorted).

Yet they were not so. For they came from over the Sea out of the Uttermost West; though this was for long known only to Círdan, Guardian of the Third Ring, master of the Grey Havens, who saw their landings upon the western shores. Emissaries they were from Lords of the West, the Valar, who still took counsel for the governance of Middle-earth, and when the shadow of Sauron began first to stir again took this means of resisting him. For with the consent of Eru they sent members of their own high order, but clad in bodies of as of Men, real and not feigned, but subject to the fears and pains and weariness of earth, able to hunger and thirst and be slain; though because of their noble spirits they did not die, and aged only by the cares and labours of many long years. And this the Valar did, desiring to amend the errors of old, especially that they had attempted to guard and seclude the Eldar by their own might and glory fully revealed; whereas now their emissaries were forbidden to reveal themselves in forms of majesty, or to seek to rule the wills of Men and Elves by open display of power, but coming in shapes weak and humble were bidden to advise and persuade Men and Elves to good, and to seek to unite in love and understanding all those whom Sauron, should he come again, would endeavour to dominate and corrupt.
 
Originally posted by ???
Don't you guys read the books. No one knows his real age.:confused:
We know the time (or very close) when Gandalf the Gray was incarnated in Valinor. We know to the day and date when Gandalf the White was resurrected by the Valar/Eru. We know that Olorin was an Ainu of Eru and, thus, has no age as he pre-dates the creation of Ea.

One should check their sources before they make such a bold statement as the one you made ???.

P. S. I don't just read the books, I study the books.
 

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