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I think we've been talking about different things here: I was was thinking about it in "in-story" terns. I agree with you that it makes a better story as it is. And, given what I mentioned above concerning Faramir's late appearance, I can absolutely guarantee Tolkien was not about to do a major rewrite! 😄Sure, Tolkien could write a different scenario where Faramir is the one who joins the Fellowship, and the Quest still successful, but it would be a different story entirely, and probably one not as satisfying; and there's a character study of each brother that's better realized as it is than it otherwise would have been.
Also, even if Tolkien writes Faramir into the Fellowship rather than Boromir, I'm still not sure how that would be better, unless it means Boromir ends up not dying, but even that's not a given.
This is the decisive external reason. By the time Faramir "appeared unbidden" to JRRT in Ithilien, Boromir's death and the splitting up of the Fellowship at Amon Hen / Rauros lad (long?) been written. And I think that Frodo and Sam going it alone to Mordor (and meeting Gollum) was a central point for JRRT (I don't remember enough of the 3.5 books of HoMe in which Christopher Tolkien described the "gestation" of LoTR to be entirely certain of this).Faramir being a late -- and by the author unwanted -- entry into the story, I assume Boromir's words to the Council about his brother were retrofitted. There's probably a note by Christopher somewhere, but the chapter went through a number of tangled changes, and I'm too tired-- or lazy -- at the moment to try to track it down.
To me, the Ring needed to be in the hands of innocence. It needed to be with someone who was unspoiled by the world and its influences. Frodo was the epitome of innocense.This is not another "Why didn't they use the Eagles" thread though that topic is briefly discussed here. This is more a thread examining the seemingly constant stream of "Why didn't..." questions on sites like Reddit and Quora. The Eagle-related ones. Ones that ask why the Valar don't intercede. Etc.
Questions about the Eagles and the Valar might be excusable (if not valid) if the askers don't look into the logistics of the story or the background of the writing of the book or, of course, the need to create an engaging story (and, truthfully, how many works of fiction are flawless and without contrivance?). Almost needless to say, Tolkien did not set out to write a sequel to The Hobbit of his own volition, but acquiescing to publisher and public request, he came up with The Lord of the Rings. In doing so, in choosing Bilbo's ring as the genesis of the idea that he would develop, he was perhaps operating under certain constraints. So, whatever flaws one might perceive in the work, I think one must consider the circumstances under which it was composed. If Tolkien had conceived of the idea of the Rings of Power from the start on his own (meaning without the demand for a follow-up to TH) we probably would have had something very different, and one possibly even better than what we were given. And what we got is fairly magnificent, especially considering the circumstances.
But there are some questions that go beyond the pale and look at other reasons why they think the course Tolkien took was the wrong one. One such question asks (to paraphrase), "Would it not have been more reasonable to give the Ring to someone who could control it, but not too strong so that the Ring could be taken from them?"To my answer in which I basically said, no, it would not be more reasonable, the person replied that the plan in the book is "stupid"; that Sauron should logically have figured out that, since the Ring was not being used against him, that he would have figured out that the plan was to destroy it.
Honestly, I couldn't be bothered to explain that the answer to this is in the book and that it takes more than a cursory reading to find it. If you don't accept the explanation, I guess take it or leave it and find something else to read, but I didn't even feel like saying that.
How would/do others here respond to such questions, if at all?
Theory on why the ring could only be destroyed in Mt. Doom
Curious if there is any textual evidence that can disprove this theory...
We are told that the ring could only be destroyed by taking it to where it was forged in the Cracks of Doom in the depths of Orodruin. What if the reason that this particular place (rather than any other volcanic/geothermally active area) is the only place the ring could be destroyed is because the Cracks of Doom was actually where Maedhros lept into the chasm of fire with the Silmaril? Perhaps the forging and destruction of the Ring was only possible there because Orodruin contained the power of a Silmaril within it?
Just for laughs:From reddit this time (I'll just leave this here without further comment):
I always assumed Faramir was constrained from leaving by Denethor. Boromir would be less inclined to be constrained and it's possible once BOTH had visions Denethor let the one he trusted more leave.The part about the dream which causes Boromir to seek Rivendell always leaves me a bit uncertain. Boromir tells The Council:
"...a dream came to my brother in a troubled sleep; and afterwards a like dream came oft to him again, and once to me."
So, according to Boromir, Faramir had the dream multiple times, and Boromir had the same dream only once.
Why would a prophetic dream be sent to one brother multiple times and the other brother only once? My feeling (with uncertainty) is that Boromir never really had the dream at all. He only heard the dream described to him by Faramir. Then, he somehow (due to his pride) convinced himself that he also had the same dream. Then, again due to his pride, he took upon himself the mission that was actually meant for Faramir?
I'll be interested to hear if anyone can shed any light on this for me.
So many issues in The Two Towers film, and STILL that was the worst one.At any rate Boromir at Henneth Annûn would have been disastrous. Something that PJ came close to describing in his mutilation of Faramir, having him take Frodo and Sam to Osgiliath for some addle-brained need for "character development". Which, as with the case of Merry and Pippin tricking the Ents to go near Isengard (PJ's forgery having them reject action against Saruman at the Entmoot), "development" seems to need under 59 seconds to be accomplished ...
I actually ran an RPG campaign with an alternate Fellowship and Faramir was one of the changes.Rereading the Faramir discussion here made me remember an old thread on the subject:
*deep breath* Okay. So most of the story proceeds as the book. There are minor differences with who does and says what and what their motivations are. I will cover the major changes:And how did it work out?
lol I didn't even think of that. To be honest, it was less creative than the subsequent two alternate Fellowships I've developed, but they haven't made it to the RPG table yet.
I was rather proud of it. I couldn't imagine him as Radagast the White as he wouldn't really fit as the new leader of the Istari. I had to choose another earthy colour and Green worked. He's a paler green though. Like early spring."Radagast the Green". I love it! 😁
I have the original correspondance with my brother saved somewhere. Someday I'll get around to cleaning it up. The other two I may just create an outline for. Seems to be my way.Hey, you should write some of these up in story form and post them in our fanic forum -- not to tell you what to do, of course! 😉
Hasn't used his sword for a while I see.......Hey, you should write some of these up in story form and post them in our fanic forum -- not to tell you what to do, of course! 😉
I see someone else had an idea for Radagast the Green.
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