Who had more impact on the ⚔️War of the Ring, Elrond or 🧝Galadriel?

[BlackCaptain]

But it's who contributed MORE, not who was more dispensible...

Galadriel:
-Phail
-Rope
-Lembas
-Bow (shot down the Nazgûl)
-Counsel
-Shelter/Recovery
-Forces in the War

Elrond:
-Anti-Wraithdom
-Counsel
-Sons
-Daughter
-Mirovour
-Shelter/Recovery

I vote Galadriel

 

[True_Twilight_]

Hello everyone i am new. Though I have had alot of thought on this matter.

My vote is both Elrond and Galadriel (though i wish to say Galadriel) even though she provided the equitment needed I personally believe Elrond provided just as much. Such as making the Fellowship and beside that choosing the best men and dwarf and elves for the job and all those other creatures in between.

As well because the ring could NOT have been destroyed if Elrond did not choose to keep Samwise part of the company.

And ofcourse Galadriel because of the physical, mental and spiritual equitment she provided to the company in again which withought that equitment they could defintely not have destroyed the ring.

Thank you for listening to my boring passage and I hope that I intrested at least one person.

 

[Lasgalen]

Greetings and welcome True_Twilight. You brought up a good point about Elrond that I had not thought of before. Without letting Sam into the fellowship, Frodo would never have made it to Mt. Doom.

 

[Theoden_king]

And if Elrond had stopped Merry and Pippin joining the fellowship, the battle of Helms Deep would have had a very different outcome, without them to rally the ents up, none of the trees would have made their way to Helms Deep so the orcs could have made it back to Saruman and rebuilt their forces ready to attack Rohan again.

 

[True_Twilight_]

Greetings and welcome True_Twilight. You brought up a good point about Elrond that I had not thought of before. Without letting Sam into the fellowship, Frodo would never have made it to Mt. Doom.

Thank you Lasgalen; and right you are, you took the words right out of my mouth

And if Elrond had stopped Merry and Pippin joining the fellowship, the battle of Helms Deep would have had a very different outcome, without them to rally the ents up, none of the trees would have made their way to Helms Deep so the orcs could have made it back to Saruman and rebuilt their forces ready to attack Rohan again.

Right you are Theoden_king

 

[BlackCaptain]

Ok.... Now if we add Elrond's Foresight (Merry, Pippin, Sam) to the list, we're all tied up at 7 important things each!

 

[ely]

Originally posted by ithrynluin
Elrond was the main force behind deciding what should be done with the Ring in the first place. He decided that there should be a Fellowship and he started things going.

Well, maybe if Elrond hadn't been there, Gandalf would have managed to do that.

So my vote goes to Galadriel for already mentioned reasons - the gifts she gave the members of the fellowship and the rest she provided them.

 

[Elendil3119]

Originally posted by ithrynluin
I knew it was wise not to decide for either one of them and attribute an equal role to both of them. If it weren't for Elrond, Frodo would have been dead (could they have found a replacement bearer?) and if it weren't for Galadriel, they'd be finished off in Shelob's lair, and possibly some other places.

I wonder, was Frodo the only one who could have accomplished the Quest? In other words, would it really have mattered if he had died?

 

[ely]

Originally posted by Elendil3119
I wonder, was Frodo the only one who could have accomplished the Quest?

Well, I started a new thread about it here

 

[jimmyboy]

Theoden, what you said is exactly what I first thought of when I read the title to this thread. Elrond, among many other things, gave the things most important to him: his children, both of his sons and his only precious daughter! But beyond these invaluable givings, he was involved in the war of the Ring for as long as there has been a Ring. He was instumental in the battle when the Ring was first taken from Sauron, and he then tried (and very very nearly succeeded) to have it thrown into Orodruin the first time. Even before that he was fighting against Sauron and his forces, which is, if I remember correctly, how he ended up in Rivendell. He led many elves there and establised it as a base and haven against the dark forces. Not only that, but like Galadriel (one of the despicable children of Feanor...) he was a Ring-bearer, and with that ring did much over the ages to help preserve the good in Middle-earth.

Then there's the previously-mentioned priceless aid to Frodo and the Quest (before Frodo knew there was a Quest) when Elrond saved his life from the Wraiths and the wound he received from them. (Thanks in this also goes to Glorfindel, who has done his share in the long war against the Ring and the Wraiths.)

Elrond's advice and wisdom, and all of his actions, have been very necessary in this long war. Except for maybe Gandalf, nobody IMO did more in the long run against Sauron than Elrond. By contrast, aside from the Dark lords, nobody except for Feanor and his children, and maybe Isildur with his selfish actions, have done more to cause hurt and pain to those who live in Middle-earth. That includes Galadriel, though it's true that she and Celeborn did do much at times to fight against the dark forces. Still, when all is considered, Elrond by far in the winner in this debate. Nothing he did, that I know of, even compares to the evils that Feanor and his children did, so all of this is a HUGE stirke against Galadriel.

 

[Malbeth]

err... Galadriel is Fëanor's niece, not his daughter, did not participate in the kin-slaying and, though proud, has always been on the side of the good guys (for instance, she counciled Celebrimbor to not accept Sauron's ring-making knowledge... if her advice had been taken, there would be no ring, and Sauron would have been destroyed in the end of the second age).

Isildur, though he fell under the ring's influence, is a great hero, who had the misfortune of getting the ring so close to Mount Doom... I'm not sure if anyone, even Elrond or Galadriel, would be able to throw the ring into the fire...

 

[jimmyboy]

Hmm...are you sure? It's been a while since I last read the Sil (OK, about a year or so) but I was pretty sure Galadriel was the daughter of Feanor.

Well, if you're right then you're right. I'll have to go back and re-read that part of the Sil. If it's the case that she's NOT his daughter, then of course she's not guilty of those ugly crimes that his family committed. Then that would mean that she's a total good guy after all, yet still I'd say that Elrond is my pick for the one who did the most overall.

 

[Malbeth]

I admit, I'm not sure about who was more important during the War, Elrond or Galadriel... I was only defending the Lady's honor, when you said she was responsible for the evil of Fëanor and his sons.

But, if Galadriel's advice had been followed in Hollin, Sauron would be destroyed in the Second Age...

 

[Dwimmerlaik]

Aren't we missing the forest for the trees?
Isn't it immaterial whether any Elf lord had any tactical or strategic impetus throughout the war?
Surely their input could largely be seen as self serving or at best a delaying action on behalf of the descendants of Numenor whom I am sure the Elf's deemed the most likely to uphold ME's true values.

Surely by the near end of the third age,no one people or race could withstand Mordor.But a coalition of one common purpose could.

The Elf's age was largely over and they knew it(or at least they should have,).The elves stayed harboured in their domains and when at last the last great war was upon all ME,all their resources seemed divided on retention of their own power bases,all that could be said of their aid to the fellowship(and thus all free peoples),was sage advice and gifts to be used frugally.Certainly these were hero's gifts.

The main point I believe,whether Elrond or Galadriel had more or less impact on the war of the ring , can only be seen as their definitive support of it's destruction.

Ultimately the fellowship being more than a sum of it's own parts,should always answer the call of all peoples.

Regardswimmerlaik

 

[Aglarband]

Well, maybe if Elrond hadn't been there, Gandalf would have managed to do that.

So my vote goes to Galadriel for already mentioned reasons - the gifts she gave the members of the fellowship and the rest she provided them.

Yet, if Gandalf made it out of the Mines of Moria Galadriel might not have give near as much to the Company. Your logic can be flipped against you.

Elrond I say, for he was as important before LOTR as Galadriel, and gets many more chapters. We all forget The Hobbit! He housed Bilbo and 12 dwarves! I don't think an Elf has hosued that many since the Elder Days!