🧙Gandalf's Business

[Nahar]

Gandalf's buissness

In The Hobbit, when Gandalf left the company of dwarves and Bilbo at the beggining of Mirkwood, what is the business he had to attend to? Ive looked this up, and cant find anything.

 

[Confusticated]

The white counsil was driving the necromancer out of Mirkwood. He tells of this in The Lord of the Rings in the chapter "The Counsil of Elrond"

'Some here will remember that many years ago I myself dared to pass the doors of the Necromancer in Dol Guldur, and secretly explored his ways, and found thus that our fears were true: he was none other than Sauron, our Enemy of old, at length taking shape and power again. Some, too, will remember also that Saruman dissuaded us from open deeds against him, and for long we watched him only. Yet at last, as his shadow grew, Saruman yielded,and the Council put forth its strength and drove the evil out of Mirkwood and that was in the very year of the finding of this Ring: a strange chance,
if chance it was.
`But we were too late, as Elrond foresaw. Sauron also had watched us,
and had long prepared against our stroke, governing Mordor from afar through Minas Morgul, where his Nine servants dwelt, until all was ready. Then hegave way before us, but only feigned to flee, and soon after came to the Dark Tower and openly declared himself

PS: That is Gandalf speaking

 

[Popqueen62]

thnx,

I was wondering that too, while i was reading it, he always seems to leave people in their adventures (sometimes at very inconvinient times).

 

[Anamatar IV]

stupid gandalf. He was just a few hundred miles away (probably less) when the dwarves were shooting alltheir arrows and dreaming about food yet he didnt help.

 

[Maeglin]

Yeah he definitely went to drive away sauron, but does anyone think that Saruman was still good at that time? And when Gandalf says "The White Council" I know that meant Radagast and Gandalf and Saruman, but does anyone know or think that the Blue Wizards were still around and helped with that?

 

[Popqueen62]

I'm not sure either. And i don't even remember who the blue wizards are. Anyone want to refresh my memory?

 

[Confusticated]

Right off hand this is the only quote I can find which shows that it is beleived that Saruman was working for himself rather than the white counsil back when Sauron was driven from Mirkwood...

'Then, said Glorfindel, 'let us cast it into the deeps, and so make the lies of Saruman come true. For it is clear now that even at the Council his feet were already on a crooked path. He knew that the Ring was not lost forever, but wished us to think so; for he began to lust for it for himself. Yet oft in lies truth is hidden: in the Sea it would be safe.'

Council in this refers to The White Counsil's meeting, and not The Council of Elrond.

I do not know who all were members of this white counsil, Saruman was the head of it, Gandalf was part of it, Elrond, and Glorfindel appears to have been involved in it. Probably some other Rivendell Elves were in it as well. Perhaps Erestor for example.

 

[Maeglin]

Ooooh yeaaaa Glorfindel was in it!

 

[Mithlond]

Galadriel and Cirdan were also members of the White Council, and probably a few more of the chief Eldar that lived in M-e at the time.

About the Witch-King, perhaps Tolkien just liked the sound of it better than Warlock-King. I know i do.

 

[Maeglin]

Yeah witch-king sounds so much cooler and more intimidating for some reason.

 

[Anamatar IV]

heh. Wrong thread. maybe he is the king of witches. But continue it on the other thread.

 

[Mithlond]

Oops! The Witch-King isnt mentioned in this thread, hehe.
Damnit, i been reading too many posts, getting confused.

 

[Maeglin]

Originally posted by Mithlond
Oops! The Witch-King isnt mentioned in this thread, hehe.
Damnit, i been reading too many posts, getting confused.

Clearly you are getting confused. And you confused me too.

 

[Celebthôl]

K about 100 posts up (exaggerated) some one said was saruman still good! (i cant b bothered to read if anyone answered) no he wasnt he held off driving away sauron i.e the necromancer until it became apparent he was getting to close to getting the ring back so then saruman acted to late when sauron was stonger and his retreat was fake so no one got suspicious!
also not radagast or the blue wizards "pollando and atarni" i think were there name they left and went east and made up some sorta cult like a "we hate sauron cult!" so only Mithrandir succeded in his mission to distroy sauron.
hope it all helped.

Jiff

 

[Maeglin]

Radagast never went east, and he never started a cult

 

[Celebthôl]

Wait

I didnt mean he went east n stuff he stopped being and istarí and lived in the wild

 

[Maeglin]

oh ok, well i guess u could say that, but u can't really stop being an istari, not voluntarily anyway, but yes he did decide not to embrace his powers and use them.

 

[Celebthôl]

yeah but i guess that his powers may have been taken away from his like sarumans except, because he never used them

 

[Maeglin]

yeah but Saruman's powers got taken away from him because he turned evil, radagast never did, so his powers were never taken away

 

[Celebthôl]

Yeah, but did this mean that he stopped going to the white council's council's?